ashikodi
3:53 Mon Apr 20
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Glenn, I'm asking you, have they been good signings? have they made a difference to those teams seasons?
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Glenn Rodent
3:48 Mon Apr 20
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ashikodi 2:18 Mon Apr 20
Whether you think those signings are sh*t or is immaterial.
If you go and ask Pulis, Pardew, Martinez & Koeman; they will all be delighted with their January purchases - enough said.
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Sir Alf
3:33 Mon Apr 20
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As always, its a combination of factors. BFS's managerial abilities relating to tactics, man management and motivation and team selection and roles are almost certainly the most influential though.
Other factors:
(2) Teams / opposing managers wising up to our revised formation (diamond), roles (Downing playing at tip of diamond centrally) and new players being worked out (Sakho, Valencia, Kouyate, Cresswell and Jenks).
(3) Relating to above, teams set up to defend against the tactics / effective parts of our game. For example, overlapping runs of full backs and the high perecntage of crosses and headed goals we had early in the season. We saw at UP teams like Palace setting up to block the runs and ensuring we could not get crosses in etc. A lot of teams also focused on our big weakness which is midfield mobility and inability to keep possession. Close us down, give no time to Song and Noble and co and we lose the ball easily.
(4) Quality in depth of the squad or lack of when the inevitable injuries started to hit.
(5) AFCON
(6) Fans unrest and disapproval of manager and his tactics, (so thats really part of the Walrus factor) but it transmits to the players and affects perforamnces.
There are other things but these for me are the main ones,
The question is then how much does each factor influence things? I would guess the BFS factor (his tactics, team selections etc..) is in the 60 - 70% zone.
FOr the record, I feel we have little choice now but to change the manager and I do worry that we will get it wrong with a typical "beige" or "vanilla" appointment. Key though is going to be the work of Tony henry and Sullivan in the area of recruitment. That will determine whether we continue to progress or slip back down into struggling again regardless of manager.
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ashikodi
2:18 Mon Apr 20
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Glenn, your arguments are embarrassingly poor.
Does a loan signing that are already been at the club improve the team when they sign permanently?
You think Lennons done well?
Fletcher? Ella? Who is this several signings?
Glenn, without wishing to be nasty, you don't know much about football and just garner opinions from reading newspapers, don't you?
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Glenn Rodent
1:26 Mon Apr 20
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ashikodi 12:48 Mon Apr 20
Are you having a laugh?
Every player/signings I mentioned have all improved the teams they have gone to - the league table does not lie. Plus you asked me about new signings in January and Bertrand did sign in January. Whether he was on loan before is not the point. You asked me a question and I gave you an answer. You are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing, so give it up mate.
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crapnotshit
1:21 Mon Apr 20
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COOL HAND LUKE 12:54 Mon Apr 20
What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
THIS IS THE REASON
END OF DISCUSSION
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Pancho
1:18 Mon Apr 20
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ashikodi 1:18 Mon Apr 20
Good one.
You bullshitting little headwand wearing fucktard.
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handball
1:18 Mon Apr 20
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We all expect to draw/lose/win games - but isn't it all about how you do it, surely. who wants to watch a boring 1-0 rather than a thrilling 3-2 win or lose...at least it shows we can go for it and put pressure on other teams. Allardyce's football was fine in the championship and first year up...but since its been static and dull - bar september to december 2014 - where i think that was more the players doing than the manager...
its time to go Sam, thanks.
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ashikodi
1:18 Mon Apr 20
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You unlaughable prick.
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Pancho
1:11 Mon Apr 20
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Trying to dominate a website?
You laughable punk.
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ashikodi
1:10 Mon Apr 20
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Pancho, do you think you're the site governor? Policing the site and 'trying' to dominate.
You're certainly something but it ain't the governor.
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Alex V
12:53 Mon Apr 20
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I think the 2nd half of the season is business as usual under Allardyce - very similar to the previous two seasons in the Premiership. So I'm not sure an explanation is needed why we are as we are - the usual criticisms of the Allardyce style, the ambitions of it, our 'level' of squad etc.
So the question really is why we looked so good for that period earlier in the season. It may have been like lightning in a bottle - just a weird anomaly that could never be recreated with this squad. It was certainly a unique set of circumstances, or feels like it now.
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Pancho
12:51 Mon Apr 20
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Talking of lies...
http://westhamonline.net/forum_flat.php?7860068|a0_e2_a0
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ashikodi
12:49 Mon Apr 20
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p.s Bertrand was already at Southampton. Trying to sneak a lie in.
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ashikodi
12:48 Mon Apr 20
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glenn rodent, those examples have made my point. Thank you.
Are they your best examples?
Every one of them has been a poor signing who has not contributed to their teams.
Again, this so called failure in January is utter rubbish.
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goose
12:25 Mon Apr 20
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BFS has basically come out and said we have no chance of scoring two goals in any of the last 5 games. we will play to win 1-0 and otherwise draw 0-0.
tells you everything you need to know. forget this "we're gonna go for it" shit, he doesnt know how to.
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Glenn Rodent
12:16 Mon Apr 20
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ashikodi 12:10 Mon Apr 20
I don't understand your point, I am merely pointing out that recruitment was needed in January to ensure our positive start to the season wasn't derailed and failure to do so has cost us:-
But to answer your question, all these signings have boosted the teams they went to:-
Sinclair to Villa
Several signings to Palace
Lennon to Everton
Bertrand & Elia to Southampton
Fletcher to WBA
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ashikodi
12:10 Mon Apr 20
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Tell me what club successfully boosted their team in january?
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Glenn Rodent
12:01 Mon Apr 20
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Wanderlust 11:04 Mon Apr 20
I think you have summed it up pretty well.
I would argue that turning to youth was a difficult task because other than Poyet, I don't think there are any players good enough for this level. The exception is Oxford but he is one for the future as he is only 16. Looking back on the dismal displays of Noble, I can see the argument that Poyet should have been given an opportunity.
I think the two key errors have been failure to bolster the squad in January. That would have eased the affects of form and fatigue that you mention and the Manager is at fault for this. Having to put Kouyate in defence has lost has games in midfield because Nolan, Jarvis and Noble aren't up to it. Also form and fatigue to Sakho and Valencia has mean't we have had to rely on a terrible Carlton Cole. All this could have been solved in January with the signings of M'bodj, Diarra and Adebayor or equivalents if we couldn't get these over the line.
I also agree that he hasn't used his squad affectively. He has hardly used Amalfitano and what is the point of paying wages to the likes of O'Brien, Zarate and Demel if you are never going to use them. The Nene debate is an interesting one but I would suggest that he was signed by Sullivan and the reason why he isn't playing is because of Allardyce being stubborn because of underlying conflicts on transfers between him and Sullivan (similar to the Zarate issue). I wouldn't be surprised whether this is one of the main factors as to why they want a change in Manager.
But for all the issues, the Chairmen are also to blame for leaving the uncertainty hanging in the air. They should have backed him with money in January and extended his contract then or released him from his contract and put a Sheringham or Mcdonald in charge until they had the right man ready.
As most know, I thought the Manager had done a decent job up until January and I think if he had a little more support publicly and in terms of January player investment then we would be sitting comfortably in 7th or 8th. However his arrogance and tactical stubbornness has alienated the fans and all in all, I do believe now that it is time for a fresh start. It's a shame because all I want to see is stability before the stadium move but the club only have themselves to blame for this farce.
All I will say is they really have to go for broke and get the best possible man available. Eddie Howe isn't ready, Bilic for me is a gamble and Martinez or Moyes aren't the right men. I'd go all out for Klopp and give him the £3-6M a year contract if that's what it takes. We really need to invest heavily in a top manager and players in the summer otherwise we are going to go backwards.
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Seamouse
12:00 Mon Apr 20
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No excuses for Allardyce - the results have been abysmal and typical when you get someone moving on in the summer, and managerial uncertainty.
But I still think the the real culprit for this relegation form is Daniel Levy. He must be slapping his nasty, evil yiddish bald head with psychotic delight over what has happened to us. With his mates here, Adebeyor would have been happy and on on fire and guaranteed us another 10 points. That does not excuse the chairmen not investing in January, - they should have had alternatives and be prepared to spend. But a distinct lack of firepower is why we are plummetting down the table faster than a lemming with lead boots.
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Northern Sold
11:47 Mon Apr 20
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3 wins from the last 20 games (ok 4 if you count the pen shoot out)... still tenth mind you
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